The field of UFOlogy is imbued with delusion and disinformation run rampant, according to Greg Bishop. He explains that it may a losing proposition to seek the truth concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial contact. Rather we should seek a deeper understanding of these encounters and of the players involved. To that effect, we examine discrepancies in the MJ-12 documents and the reports of Paul Benewitz. What we find will raise more questions and highlight the lengths of deception enacted by government agencies to protect secret programs at military facilities. This interview with Regina Meredith was originally webcast February 15, 2018.Greg Bishop, author of It Defies Language, can be heard on his current show, Radio Misterioso, which features interviews with fringe-topic researchers and weird music.