Richard has found himself disappointed by the action of Han Solo, but never mind, he's back on telly (Taskmaster starts on October 15th, 9pm on Channel 4) and so he won't have to do stupid podcasts where he talks to dead wasps anymore. But for now, here he is talking to the charming and patient and wise Michael Ian Black. They discuss why you'd give up being a Mutant Ninja Turtle, the battle to create the most boring podcast, who has the best Irish accent, Rich's problem with Michael's film "Run Fatboy Run", whether the Universe will be destroyed if they ever meet, the problems with masculinity that has prompted them both to write a book about it and Rich's plans to write a film with the greatest cast list ever. Michael's book is ace, buy it here https://www.amazon.co.uk/Better-Man-Letter-My-Son/dp/1616209119/ And/or buy Richard's less good book about the same thing here https://www.amazon.co.uk/Problem-Men-When-International-matters/dp/0751581453/