Known as Shaggy and Metalhead at different times, here was one of the top members of Insane Creator Enterprises (iCE), one of the top ANSI groups through the 1990s (and one still existing to this day). He'd gotten away from ANSI art soon after he'd discovered DJing and clubs, but before then he was right in there with the best of them. We covered a lot of ANSI topics; he was concerned there'd not be much to talk about. As usual, we filled a tape in no time. We probably could have gone a lot further but I didn't want the actual next interview to suffer, so we kept it to one full hour. A great time.